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In your book The Gendered Atom you examine the science of today through a close, insightful reading of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and feminist psychology. How have assumptions about gender shaped modern science?

[In the book] I drew very heavily on what I think is an exciting and significant new field called feminist psychology, because it seemed to me that it was very close to Mary Shelley's own viewpoint -- though, of course, she was not a psychologist or a professional therapist. It seemed to me that, in a certain sense, she was the first feminist psychologist, that she had an insight into science, which had no precedent, nobody had ever seen things this way before, recognizing the underlying sexual politics of modern science. That seemed to me so important an insight as part of feminist psychology, that I decided to start with her and thread my understanding of western science along the lines of this classic, gothic fable. From that point of view, you begin to recognize all sorts of very strange and skewed things about modern science. Especially those fields that have escaped a lot of criticism because they seem so very objective and empirical, the so-called hard sciences -- physics, for example.




This was a fruitful and curious coincidence... this leading facility for high energy physics directly across from the villa in which Mary Shelley dreamed up the Frankenstein story.


So I decided to go to the heart of the matter and take physics itself, seemingly the science that is freest of all distortion and to subject that to a feminist psychological analysis. Among the reasons this tied in with my theme so closely is a curious coincidence, both geographical and historical. Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein in 1816 at a villa on Lake Geneva called the Villa Diodati. She was staying there for several weeks. And it turns out that today, if you look across Lake Geneva from the terrace outside the bedroom windows of that villa, you are looking directly across the lake at what has been called the largest scientific machine ever built. It's the underground circular accelerator at CERN [the European Center for Nuclear Research]. That's where they smash the atoms smaller than anybody else does in the world, or at least up until recently. So it seemed to me this was a fruitful and curious coincidence, that you could find CERN, this leading facility for high energy physics, directly across from the villa in which Mary Shelley dreamed up the Frankenstein story. She discovered it in what she called a "waking dream," one night in the summer of 1816. That gave me a sort of a literary or metaphorical connection between the Frankenstein story and modern physics.

If finding the hidden order of things is the goal of science, how do we maintain faith in a science that has proven itself to be flawed in the past? The example you give in the book is of the Newtonian atom.

Yes, I bear down in the book on the Newtonian conception of the atom as being a deeply gendered idea, hence the title of the book, The Gendered Atom. But in a sense, the search for an ultimate particle, which is hard and final and basic, and which cannot be divided any further, that search continues. We now refer to these things as particles because we know that the atom is not a final entity, but that it has an internal structure. We keep smashing atoms with a view to finding smaller and smaller particles, like quarks, that might be the ultimate stuff of the universe. And the assumption behind all of this, from Newton down to the present day, is that what is most basic in the universe is small dead stuff of some kind. That's not a fact; that's a judgment about the nature of things. Even to call physics "the most fundamental science" (which we still do), the most "basic" of all the sciences, is a matter of judgment because "fundamental" carries with it a value. What is fundamental is most important, most basic, it's that to which you try to reduce everything else.




Why are we in the habit of interpreting small dead things as more important than organic things or psychological studies of human behavior, and so on?


So my book is a study of this habit we have in western science of reducing everything, no matter how complex and vital and alive, to small dead things called atoms -- or the particles inside of atoms, whatever the current name might be for the smallest of all these particles. Now, I think it's the quark, but there are those that think even quarks are made up of smaller particles. Why are we in the habit of interpreting small dead things as more important than organic things or psychological studies of human behavior, and so on? That's the question I raise in the book. And the answer to that question is that there's a connection between that habit of material reductionism and its claim to objectivity and male supremacy in western society. And that still lingers on, even in these fields that are considered to be so free of distortion and subjectivity.

So this is certainly a very highly controversial way to come at western science. But my hope is -- and I suppose it's what we cling to in every field of knowledge -- that if you can find such distortions and clear them out of the way, that the view you have for the world will become more accurate. I mean, science is not alone, physics is not alone, in having a certain warp or distortion or bias in it. These are all human endeavors, and human endeavors tend to be flawed by our own imperfections. I'm simply saying that this is as true of science, including physics, as it is of law, or medicine, or my own field of historical scholarship -- you can find these distortions and these biases in every field. The hope is that if you can identify them and eliminate them and rise above them, that your view of the world will become that much more accurate. So the finish of my book is an appeal for a science that frees itself of gender bias, rises above its long history of gender bias, and will see the world with a clearer vision.

One of the chapters in your book is titled, The Black Madonna. In that chapter, you explain how the Black Madonna was a representation to believers in her time of an earth goddess, much like Isis in Egypt and Kali in India. How do you see her returning to our scientific society?

The book I've written is very essayistic, and it takes a lot of liberties and makes the sort of connections that you try to make when you're writing an essay. One of these connections is the contrast between the world that Mary Shelley experienced in the very Protestant, Calvinist, Geneva. There's a connection between that very strict, logical, legalistic vision of religion and modern science that I try to spell out in the book. In a very real sense, the first steps toward a kind of ruthless objectivity came with modern Protestantism, and many people have observed that Puritanism is peculiarly connected to modern science along the lines of a sensibility. Isaac Newton was a very puritanical man, in his insistence upon logic and literacy, a literal interpretation of things. Whether it's the Bible or nature at large, there is a psychological connection there. So my study in this book is largely of that worldview.

It contrasts markedly with a very different vision of nature that you can find by simply traveling to the other side of Switzerland, in the same country. In a few hours you can go from Calvinist Geneva to the very Catholic Einsiedeln. Einsiedeln is the name of a town that has had a shrine to the Virgin Mary for hundreds and hundreds of years, and there's a very famous church there. It's a center of pilgrimage. The reason the church is such a special attraction is that it houses this mysterious but intriguing image of a Black Madonna. It's the Virgin Mary, but she's black, she's made out of a black wood. The explanation for this in official church accounts is that the church once caught fire and the image of the Madonna was blackened. She has since been replaced by a more recent version, which was deliberately carved out of black wood to preserve some sense of connection with the previous figure that was there. But many historians now think that this is simply a cover story, that it's not that these images were blackened by candles or by smoke in the church, they are actually related to earth mother images that were normally made from earth and were dark. So what we have here is a connection between Christianity and its pagan predecessors, along the lines of the Virgin Mary, associating the Christian Madonna with the earth mothers and earth goddesses of the past. And that's a pretty well established scholarly connection, and in many parts of Europe, indeed, many parts of the world, the Virgin simply took over from a pre-existing mother goddess cult or tradition. Like the Virgin of Guadeloupe in Mexico pre-dates the Virgin Mary and her shrines were simply taken over by the new religion.




There's a connection between that very strict, logical, legalistic vision of religion and modern science... many people have observed that Puritanism is peculiarly connected to modern science.


Well, I use this [Black Madonna] in my book as an example of a very different view of the world. I use it as an occasion for talking about a pre-Christian, pre-scientific vision of nature based upon a very feminine sensibility that sees life, vitality, fertility as by far the most remarkable and the most basic things in nature. That's very different from saying that the most basic things in the world are small dead particles that somehow fall together into the complex forms that we know in the macrocosm around us.

I contrast those two ways of seeing things. They're very different visions of nature. The old pagan view of the world as alive and sensitive is something that we've left far behind us in the historical past. There are people today trying to revive that experience of nature; and in some respects modern ecology and environmental science tries to pay a respect to nature. But there's another way in which we're reconnecting with this primordial world view that you can find embodied in mother goddess cults, the Black Madonna cults, and it has nothing to do with adopting the lore or the imagery of those traditions. We are cut off from that by so many centuries of skepticism and scientific research that's very hard to go back to those traditions.





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However, it is interesting to me that in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, very significant changes are taking place in our own mainstream science. They all go under the heading of complexity -- sciences of complexity. What we're coming to recognize is that forms and patterns are far more basic, in fact, they may be the most rudimentary thing in the world, not small, dead, random particles. These are very different views within modern physics, as to what is the most basic thing we're searching for. Is it going to turn out to be a dead particle that simply bounces around in the void and must "once upon a time" have fallen into some kind of an atomic structure, just by accident, or is the universe based upon patterns, structures, forms, that cannot be reduced to anything more basic because they are the basic stuff of nature? And if that's true, we are beginning to see that form is more basic in nature than random, roaming particles, and that form is more basic than randomness or chance.

It's not unthinkable that we could begin to recognize in the most basic rudimentary forms of nature, even the way quarks hold together, patterns that begin to look like anticipations of ideas, of that which makes the human mind function, of thought, of ideas. That connection is a small, maybe a very small, re-experience of nature as nature was once seen by our distant ancestors, as having purposes, intentions, forms within it. And that is a very different way of experiencing the world. It suddenly comes alive to you as something much more like us. We are nothing like little wandering particles that collide at random; we are much more of a patterned phenomenon. And to realize that perhaps the whole of nature is based upon those patterns, is, I think, a new direction in science.